By age 12, he had become fascinated.

With a particular series of passages. But our name says that if you.

Have somebody who you hypnotize repeatedly.

Eventually the person will go into somnambulism. What somnambulism was known, but it was never obtained artificially. It always either occurred or it didn't occur. And it was relatively rare. But it was also known that if you got this somnambulism, you could get hypnotic anesthesia. You could get treatment to various illnesses. It was an important thing. So at age 12, David Kopelman sits down on the playground steps of the.

Junior high school in Fargo, North Dakota.

And has one of his classmates come over. And he tries hypnotizing the guy.

But he makes a change in what is being done.

It's the guy partially, and this is now.

And what I say to open your eyes and come out.

And as soon as we do, I'm going to hypnotize you again. And you're going to go deeper.

He makes somewhere, I'm not sure which.

Because the records are either three passes or five passes on that particular person that morning.

By the last of those passes, the kid is in somnambulism.

So somnambulism has never previously been gotten intentionally. It's always been accidental or lucky or whatever. Jason pulls whatever experiments he wanted to do. To demonstrate to the kids in the neighborhood what it was like. Merges the guys. So I have another volunteer. Another guy sits down. He does the same thing.

The second guy goes into somnambulism that day.

He does three in a row. All three of them go in. He refers to this all the way today. He died as three trips to Bernheim. That was his name for it.

We know it as fractionation.

The discovery of fractionation was the start.

Of the development of the jason element induction.

It also turned jason into a major character, a major force in hypnosis in Fergus.

And he's that big deal in the.

High school up until about age 14 or 15. At which time he is dating a young lady. The father of the young lady grabs hold of him and expresses a belief.

That anybody who can make people do.

The tricks you're doing under hypnosis can do something wrong on a young lady who's a virgin. You either give up hypnosis or you.

Give up her, or you deal with me.

They've stopped hypnotizing. Breaks up with the girl as well.